{"id":4915,"date":"2022-09-01T08:00:28","date_gmt":"2022-09-01T07:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/?p=4915"},"modified":"2022-08-31T16:13:55","modified_gmt":"2022-08-31T15:13:55","slug":"qa-with-roman-krznaric","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-roman-krznaric\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&A with Roman Krznaric<\/span>Liz Jensen<\/span>"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Political thinker and philosopher Roman Krznaric<\/strong> is interviewed by Writers Rebel’s Liz Jensen<\/strong>. Roman shares an excerpt from his latest book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short Term World<\/span><\/i><\/a>, here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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Liz Jensen: The title of your book is taken from a quotation by the medical researcher Jonas Salk, who asked: ‘Are we being good ancestors?’ You write that Salk, who developed the first successful polio vaccine, could have patented it and become rich as well as famous, but he resisted, because he wanted to ‘be of some help to humankind.’ Does the 21st century have its Salks, and if so, how would you characterise their mindset?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Roman Krznaric:<\/strong> Let\u2019s start with the mindset. Or rather, the brainset. Each of us possesses what I think of as a \u2018marshmallow brain\u2019 and an \u2018acorn brain\u2019. The marshmallow brain is the part of our neuroanatomy that focuses on instant gratification and immediate rewards \u2013 we love the dopamine rush of clicking the Buy Now button. It\u2019s named after the famous Marshmallow Test of the 1960s, when kids had a tasty snack placed in front of them and if they resisted for 15 minutes, they were rewarded with a second one: the majority of kids couldn\u2019t resist and snatched it up.<\/span><\/p>\n

But that\u2019s not the whole story of who we are. We are also the proud possessors of an acorn brain. It\u2019s new \u2013 only about two million years old \u2013 and lives in the front of our heads in the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex. That\u2019s the bit that focuses on long-term thinking, planning and strategising. We\u2019re actually pretty good at it compared to most mammals. A chimpanzee plans ahead a bit and might take a stick, strip off the leaves and turn it into a tool to poke into a termite hole. But it will never make a dozen of these tools and set them aside for next week. Yet this is precisely what humans do. We might be addicted to our phones, but we are also experts at the temporal pirouette \u2013 we have a capacity to think long and save for our retirement or write song lists for our own funerals. That\u2019s the acorn brain in action. It\u2019s how we built the cathedrals of medieval Europe and the sewers of 19<\/span>th<\/span> century London, which are still in use today.<\/span><\/p>\n

So, to answer the question! I think Good Ancestors are people who have their acorn brains well and truly switched on. They are thinking beyond the here and now, beyond their own mortality. They project their minds forward to look back and ask, \u2018How will future generations judge us for what we did or didn\u2019t do when we had the chance?\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n

Salk was one of them, of course. But I\u2019m a little reluctant to pick out individuals, in the same way that I have a bit of an allergy to the idea of leadership \u2013 \u2018exemplary individuals\u2019 who will come along and save us. I think many of the Good Ancestors today are collectives \u2013 the <\/span>M\u0101ori\u00a0activists who are campaigning for rivers to have the same rights as people, or the XR Grandparents who take to the streets with photos of their grandchildren hanging around their necks.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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LJ: You argue that the future has been colonised as a result of our short-term thinking, and you write about ‘time-rebellion’ as a form of resistance. What are time-rebels? How can they decolonise the future, and what simple initiatives could governments, corporations and communities take to think decades and centuries ahead?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

RK: <\/strong>Yes, I believe that humankind \u2013 especially those of us living in wealthy countries in the Global North \u2013 has colonised the future. We treat it as a distant colonial outpost where we can freely dump ecological degradation and technological risk as if there was nobody there. But of course it\u2019s occupied by the billions and billions of people who are likely to inhabit the future \u2013 who far outweigh everyone alive today. The tragedy is that these future generations are not around to do anything about this pillaging of their inheritance. They can\u2019t leap in front of the King\u2019s horse like a Suffragette or go on a Salt March to defy their colonial oppressors like Gandhi. So we have to do it for them.<\/span><\/p>\n

As I wrote my book, I started to discover just how many people, organisations and movements are dedicated to this task of decolonising the future and giving a voice to future generations and the planet they will live on. I think of them as Time Rebels. They can be found in every realm \u2013 politics, economics, culture, technology.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m particularly inspired by organisations like the US public interest law firm Our Children\u2019s Trust<\/a>, which has launched a series of legal cases on behalf of 21 young people who are campaigning for the legal right to a safe climate and healthy atmosphere for both current and future generations. To be honest, I never used to have much faith in law \u2013 I thought it was too slow and too conservative. Yet Our Children\u2019s Trust and similar legal movements in the Netherlands, Germany, Pakistan, Colombia and other countries have shown incredible energy and effectiveness in their campaigns for the rights of future citizens. And they\u2019re starting to win (like in the Urgenda case in the Netherlands). This is one of the biggest revolutions in rights since the French Revolution.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

So I think we should be doing all we can to support these legal movements. I\u2019m also a big fan of citizens\u2019 assemblies. One of the most interesting models I\u2019ve come across is in Japan. It\u2019s called Future Design and is directly inspired by the Native American idea of Seventh Generation decision-making. What they do is invite local people to discuss and draw up plans for the towns and cities where they live. But they typically divide them into two groups. One group are told they are residents from the present day. They other half are given beautiful kimono-like gowns to wear and told to imagine themselves as residents from the year 2060. It turns out that the 2060 residents come up with much more radical plans for their communities, from long-term investment in health care to action on the climate emergency. Future Design is now being used in big city governments like Kyoto and is spreading to other countries. It\u2019s a brilliant innovation on the citizen\u2019s assembly model, adding an explicit imaginative journey into the future. Let\u2019s all create bespoke Future Design gowns for our own communities.<\/span><\/p>\n

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LJ: You quote the astronomer Carl Sagan who argued that societies should be guided by what he called ‘a long-term goal and a sacred project’. How can we discover what our own transcendent mission might be, as individuals? What is yours?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

RK:<\/strong> Ha! Big questions! I\u2019ve always been a fan of Victor Frankl\u2019s <\/span>Man\u2019s Search for Meaning.<\/span><\/i>\u00a0What I took from his book is that dwelling in the present moment isn\u2019t enough to give most human beings a sense of meaning and purpose. What we need is what he called a \u2018concrete assignment\u2019 \u2013 a future goal that transcends ourselves and which can get us out of bed in the morning. It could be anything \u2013 to find a cure for cancer if you\u2019re a medical researcher or to keep your small family business going.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

For me, what\u2019s the transcendent goal? Just as there is a biosphere that provides the air we breathe, I believe there is also an \u2018ethnosphere\u2019 that provides the cultural air we breathe \u2013 it\u2019s the swirls of ideas, assumptions and beliefs that shape our worldviews, our ways of thinking and being. I see my goal as a writer to transform the ethnosphere \u2013 to add new ideas into the swirl that will ideally outlast my lifetime. Some of these ideas are metaphors or concepts \u2013 like \u2018colonising the future\u2019 or being a \u2018good ancestor\u2019 or \u2018time rebel\u2019. I am convinced that ideas have the power to change society \u2013 that\u2019s what I\u2019ve learned from three decades of grappling with the question of how change happens.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

As a society, we need a transcendent goal too. I love Sagan\u2019s writing but I don\u2019t like his ultimate goal for our species, which is for humanity to spread to other worlds. I think we first need to learn to live within the boundaries of this one and only planet we know that sustains life. Once we\u2019ve mastered that, then fine, let\u2019s jet off to Mars. But I think it\u2019s going to be some time yet before we\u2019ve learned to live within the ecological limits of Spaceship Earth.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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LJ: What role do stories play in engaging us with the future, and its inhabitants?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

RK: <\/strong>Storytellers are time travellers, taking us on journeys into both the past and future. It\u2019s interesting, though, that the genre of science fiction and stories about time travel into the future didn\u2019t really emerge in Western culture until the 19<\/span>th<\/span> century (Jules Verne, H.G. Wells etc). Until then, most utopias and dystopias were set in a distant place, not a distant time. Think, for instance, of Thomas More\u2019s <\/span>Utopia<\/span><\/i>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

My favourite storyteller about the future would have to be Kim Stanley Robinson. Many climate activists might know his most recent book, <\/span>The Ministry for the Future<\/span><\/i>. But I also love his novel <\/span>Aurora. <\/span><\/i>At first sight it\u2019s a classic generation starship story, but it is actually the best exploration of ecological economics and its importance that I\u2019ve ever read. You have a giant spacecraft travelling for 200 years with 2000 people on board to colonise a distant planet. The spacecraft has 24 biomes in it\u2014so there\u2019s a desert, a savannah, a wet tropical zone and so on\u2014and the people are living and dying for several generations, attempting to survive in a closed system. They\u2019re trying not to use more resources than they can produce and regenerate on their farms and spaceship, and not to create more waste than they can deal with. In other words, it\u2019s about trying to keep the system in balance. That is the essence of ecological economics as expressed by people like Herman Daly in the 1970s.<\/span><\/p>\n

Aurora<\/span><\/i>\u00a0looks like it\u2019s a book about space, but it\u2019s really a depiction of the dilemmas we face on Earth\u2014about how to survive on our beautiful and fragile life-giving planet. I\u2019m sorry to give a spoiler, but this is exactly what the people on the spaceship realise: upon reaching their destination, they discover that humankind cannot survive in a place it has not evolved to adapt to, and so they decide to come back to Earth. The best plot twist I\u2019ve ever read. Genius.<\/span><\/p>\n

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LJ: Now for a short creative writing exercise. Imagine your children at the end of this century, looking back on the how the world has changed since they were young. Give us the capsule version of the story you\u2019d like them to be able to tell to their grandchildren: the story where it all goes right.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

RK: <\/strong>It won\u2019t all go right. At it\u2019s very best, it will be a mess, a struggle, full of crises and tragedies along the way.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The story they tell will undoubtedly be one of rebellion. It is very rare, historically, for major transformations of rights or justice to occur without disruptive social movements cracking open the social and political order from below. Slavery wasn\u2019t abolished in British colonies in the 1830s simply because paternalistic parliamentarians like William Wilberforce were successful lobbyists\u2014it would never have happened without the great Jamaica slave revolt of 1831. The Suffragettes wouldn\u2019t have got very far without the militant actions of the Women\u2019s Social and Political Union, founded by Emmeline Pankhurst in 1903, whose members chained themselves to railings, broke windows of public buildings, set post boxes on fire and went on hunger strikes.<\/span><\/p>\n

My grandchildren will tell stories of the twenty-first century rebels who were part of this grand historical tradition. There will always be people working within the system, trying to reform it from the inside of traditional institutions \u2013 political parties, business and so on. But the story the future will tell will be that their actions would have had limited impact without the radical flank movements who shook up the system, who changed the public conversation, who finally switched on our acorn brains.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

And there was a rousing call that became their motto and that was never forgotten: Time Rebels of the World, Unite!<\/span><\/p>\n

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CALL TO ACTION: <\/b><\/p>\n

On his website www.romankrznaric.com<\/span><\/a>, <\/span>Roman Krznaric presents a list of over 50 time rebel organisations<\/a> dedicated to intergenerational justice and taking the long view, from Afro Rithms from the Future to Doughnut Economics Action Lab. Look up three of them and asking yourself what you can do in practice to promote their cause.<\/p>\n

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Roman Krznaric<\/strong> is a public philosopher who writes about the power of ideas to change society. His latest book is\u00a0<\/span>The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short Term World<\/span><\/i><\/a>. His previous international bestsellers, including\u00a0<\/span>Empathy<\/span><\/i><\/a>,\u00a0<\/span><\/i>The Wonderbox\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/a>and\u00a0<\/span>Carpe Diem Regained<\/span><\/i><\/a>, have been published in more than 20 languages. After growing up in Sydney and Hong Kong, Roman studied at the universities of Oxford, London and Essex, where he gained his PhD in political sociology. He is founder of the world\u2019s first\u00a0<\/span>Empathy Museum<\/span><\/a>\u00a0and is a Research Fellow of the Long Now Foundation and a member of the Club of Rome. <\/span>Roman Kznaric\u00a0<\/span>acknowledges<\/span>\u00a0the\u00a0<\/span>Darug<\/span>\u00a0and Guringai people as the traditional custodians of the land where he grew up.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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