{"id":4730,"date":"2022-06-09T08:00:21","date_gmt":"2022-06-09T07:00:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/?p=4730"},"modified":"2022-06-09T10:45:38","modified_gmt":"2022-06-09T09:45:38","slug":"qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson<\/span>Liz Jensen<\/span>"},"content":{"rendered":"

 <\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Kim Stanley Robinson is widely recognized as one of the world\u2019s foremost science fiction writers. He has received both the Robert A. Heinlein Award and the Arthur C. Clarke Award for Imagination in Service to Society for his body of work, which includes the Mars trilogy, the Science in the City trilogy, and the cli-fi novels <\/em>2312 and <\/em>New York 2140. His latest novel, <\/em>The Ministry for the Future (2020), tells the story of a global body tasked with advocating for the all the world’s living creatures, human and non-human, present and future. He’s interviewed here by Writers Rebel’s Liz Jensen.<\/em><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Liz Jensen: The Ministry for the Future<\/em> reads as both a kind of manifesto and a warning. Did you intend it that way?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kim Stanley Robinson:<\/strong> For sure I meant it as a warning, as the first chapter must make clear; the danger of mass deaths from overheating is very real. But a manifesto, no. It\u2019s a novel, and a science fiction novel, so it\u2019s trying to tell a story set in the future, hopefully a story plausible enough that readers can believe it might happen that way, at least while they\u2019re reading.\u00a0 So on the one hand, I wanted to warn readers that bad things are going to happen; on the other hand, I wanted to describe humanity reacting to the climate crisis in an uncoordinated way that nevertheless dodges the mass extinction event we have started, and comes to a better moment in future history, where even more progress could be made.\u00a0 So ultimately this was a kind of low-bar utopian novel, which presents a good future happening despite the lack of any strong plan imposed from above, or below or from the sides.\u00a0 Instead it results from lots of people trying lots of different things.\u00a0 So that\u2019s not exactly a manifesto as I understand it, which usually suggests a particular program being outlined.\u00a0 I feel like my novel is more a matter of suggesting we can scrape by, and dodge a huge disaster, if we persevere with all kinds of different efforts, and don\u2019t lose heart.<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: When referring to the estimated five-year window in which the world can avert wholesale catastrophe, you emphasise that we have the mechanisms to ward off the worst. What would fixing the world look like, and what lessons can we learn from recent and ongoing crises such as the Covid pandemic and the war in Ukraine?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR:<\/strong> Johan Rockstrom\u2019s \u201cplanetary boundaries\u201d concept has made people more aware that we are in a closing window of time now, during which we can avoid ecological catastrophe and a tip-over into a \u201chothouse Earth\u201d scenario that would resemble earlier hothouse moments in Earth\u2019s geological past.\u00a0 If we break certain of these planetary boundaries, we may start a run-away warming effect that later people won\u2019t have the physical powers to claw back from.<\/span> That is very serious news, which needs to be taken into account and acted on.\u00a0 Not all of society has come to grips with this news, by any means.\u00a0 But more and more it\u2019s penetrating the ‘general intellect’ and the mood of our time, and actions to deal with it are being discussed and even begun.\u00a0 But that process has to accelerate, and soon.<\/span><\/p>\n

So in that situation, I am just a science fiction writer reporting the news from the scientists of our time\u2014world-changing news, one way or another.\u00a0 As I read it, there\u2019s not a ‘five-year window’, but rather just a short period of time, which is quickly getting shorter.\u00a0 Maybe it\u2019s better to think of the 2020s as the crucial time, since we tend to think in decades.\u00a0 But the sooner the better, in terms of taking strong actions.<\/span><\/p>\n

The pandemic, and Russia\u2019s brutal war on Ukraine, teach us that history is still happening, and things can change fast.\u00a0 With the pandemic we learned that we are part of a biosphere that can prove deadly to us, and also that science can act fast, and society behaves pretty well when feeling endangered, on the whole.\u00a0 Now we\u2019re learning by way of the steadfast world-wide resistance to Russia\u2019s aggression, that we can all possibly accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels.\u00a0 That\u2019s good to know, and to be forced to do that by a war is not the best method, but it is an unexpected good outcome to a war of aggression by a petro-state.\u00a0 They aren\u2019t holding the only means to power civilization, not any more.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019ll have more human crises to add to the ecological crisis before we\u2019re done, for sure.\u00a0 The trick will be to deal with the human issues and the biosphere issues as two parts of a total project.<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: In The Ministry for the Future<\/em>, the global ministry tasked with mitigating the rolling climate and ecological disaster has a clandestine \u201cBlack Ops\u201d wing that supports terror attacks on the super-rich. Outside of fiction, ecological protest has been largely limited to damage to property, and self-harm in the form of hunger strikes and recently, in the U.S, self-immolation. Why do you think there has been so little actual violence in defence of ecosystems, and what do you make of non-violent campaign groups like Fridays for Future and Extinction Rebellion?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR: <\/b><\/span>I wonder if people who care about the biosphere and the humans who will come after us, are not the type of people who would harm other people to make their point.\u00a0 It\u2019s just a notion.\u00a0 If it\u2019s right, there might come a moment where there is much more non-violent destruction of property that burns carbon.\u00a0 This is one way of saying that the word “violence” should be reserved for bodily harming people, not disabling property\u2014that\u2019s not violence, that\u2019s active resistance, or some other word that might be more accurate and acceptable to most people\u2019s moral codes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The non-violent campaign groups you mention are crucially important, and I hope they grow fast.\u00a0 Violence against other humans is not something I would do myself, nor recommend to others.\u00a0 In my novel I portrayed it as happening, because I think it might happen, if we don\u2019t deal with climate change fast enough, and people start dying in great numbers.\u00a0 If that happens, some of the survivors will be post-traumatic, furious in their grief, and intent on revenge.\u00a0 Better to avoid that by acting now\u2014that was my thought in writing such scenes.\u00a0 They constitute a different kind of warning than the opening heat wave scene.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In the real world now, there needs to be a fuller study of what I\u2019m calling \u201ca rhetoric of actions,\u201d which would try to determine the best methods of civil disobedience and physical resistance, etc., for getting the desired results.\u00a0 I\u2019m not convinced we have that rhetoric yet\u2014I mean by that, an understanding of the best methods for persuading people in power, and also persuading the public and what you might call the general intellect.\u00a0 But trying things is part of figuring that out.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I recommend Andreas Malm\u2019s <\/span>How to Blow up a Pipeline<\/span><\/i>, and Erica Chenoweth\u2019s <\/span>Why Civil Resistance Works<\/span><\/i>, and other works by these two writers, and others, including Bill McKibben and Joshua Clover, to think through these issues.\u00a0 Then I hope everyone will join various actions, trying out different methods of resistant behaviour in the world, to pressure our political representatives to do the right things at the legislative levels, and convince more of our fellow citizens that this is the right way to act, for the right reasons.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: After Joe Biden was elected, you said you thought the world could legislate its way out of the climate and ecological emergency. Do you still believe that, and if so, why?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR:<\/strong> I do still believe it, although obviously getting legislatures to actually legislate the necessary actions quickly enough is a big problem.\u00a0 But really it\u2019s the laws that have to change, not just just people\u2019s feelings, or private capital\u2019s investment patterns, although these are both important.\u00a0 Laws insist on, and require, good actions. That\u2019s why laws are crucial\u2014we live by them, and when they\u2019re wrong or too slow, they have to be challenged and changed.\u00a0 Doing that by legal means is far preferable to enacting (or more likely, futilely hoping for) a revolution.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I think the analogy to World War II is not inappropriate here, even though it\u2019s not exact.\u00a0 But the damage from climate change and biodiversity loss could ultimately be as bad as the damage of World War II, so what the analogy suggests is that governments now need to declare that the emergency is real, and overrides all other considerations.\u00a0 We now need public action (government) to be driving all private actions that are relevant to the crucial project; what work gets paid for and done, what consumption patterns are allowed, etc.\u00a0 This is not ‘green fascism’ any more than the Allied response to Nazi aggression was ‘democratic fascism’; it\u2019s more a case of democratically approved coordinated public action in strong support of the public good.\u00a0 Legal action is needed for that. \u00a0 But it\u2019s also an \u201call hands on deck” situation now, so no one solution will suffice. \u00a0 We need action across all fronts of society.<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: You have spoken about how the switch from the term \u201chedge fund manager\u201d to \u201casset manager\u201d may signal a crucial shift in the capitalist perspective. Can you give examples of how this manifests, and what form it might take in the years ahead?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR:<\/strong> I would suggest the example of Mark Carney\u2019s Glasgow group of investment banks and firms, promising to invest greenly; also the new term \u201crisk-adjusted investment,\u201d in which the risk being adjusted for is precisely climate change itself.\u00a0 That\u2019s taking on the larger and longer view.\u00a0 It seems very clear that there are now many businesses hoping to grow by taking on part of the decarbonisation project.\u00a0 And it also seems to me that the greedy destructive profit-seeking of the neoliberal years is beginning to be regarded as short-sighted to the point of criminal stupidity.\u00a0 This is mostly impressionistic on my part, but the signals are out there for anyone to see, and I think it might be a real shift in what Raymond Williams called our \u201cstructure of feeling.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: You cite your late friend Ursula le Guin as one of your most powerful teachers. What are the most important lessons you have learned from her work, and which science fiction novels excite you most?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR:<\/strong> Le Guin taught me, or tried to teach me, to keep my focus on the story\u2019s characters and their emotional lives, as being central to how fiction works; also, to hew to a kind of realism that is more psychological than physical. \u00a0 By her example she also showed me to be patient when needed, and to play the game of literature to the full, and for the long haul.\u00a0 I loved her for that.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Her <\/span>The Left Hand of Darkness<\/span><\/i> is still one of my favorite science fiction novels, and I also like Samuel R. Delany\u2019s <\/span>Dhalgren<\/span><\/i>, Gene Wolfe\u2019s <\/span>The Fifth Head of Cerberus<\/span><\/i>, Joanna Russ\u2019s <\/span>The Female Man<\/span><\/i>, and Thomas Disch\u2019s <\/span>Camp Concentration<\/span><\/i>, among many others. \u00a0 My most recent favorite SF novel is Monica Byrne\u2019s <\/span>The Actual Star<\/span><\/i>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

LJ: Why is our temporal imagination so limited, and in what ways can we expand it? How do you see the role of fiction changing in the face of the climate and ecological emergency?<\/strong><\/p>\n

KSR:<\/strong> I\u2019m not so sure our temporal imagination is limited.\u00a0 We range widely in time, it\u2019s a very human thing.\u00a0 Memory, anticipation\u2014 we are in those zones so often that really the trick sometimes is managing to focus on the present moment.\u00a0 That\u2019s what a lot of meditation is trying to do, and also the joys of sports, or any flow activities, often come from that intense focus on the present.\u00a0 So maybe the thing to strengthen is not our imagination, but our sense of consequences of our actions on future humans.\u00a0 I\u2019m not sure how to do that except by telling better stories about it.<\/span><\/p>\n

Fiction is always one of the main ways we create meaning, and we need meaning very much, so the importance there is clear. \u00a0 Fiction will stay important.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

As to how the climate and biosphere emergency will change fiction, I can only say, it seems like the story of humanity fitting well into Earth\u2019s biosphere will become the only story worth telling, at least for a while.\u00a0 Or maybe not the only story\u2014just the story that will overshadow all the other stories we might tell in our time, such that all stories will be altered by our historical moment.\u00a0 This always happens (remember Jameson\u2019s observation that literature is always class excuse and utopian wish at one and the same time), but climate change is such a huge danger that its shadow over all fiction will be darker than usual.\u00a0 Fiction, however, as a method of thinking and feeling, will stay much the same.\u00a0 We need it now because we always need it.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    Kim Stanley Robinson is widely recognized as one of the world\u2019s foremost science fiction writers. He has received both the Robert A. Heinlein Award and the Arthur C. Clarke Award for Imagination in Service to Society for his body of work, which includes the Mars trilogy, the Science in the City trilogy, and […]<\/p>\n

Read More… from Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson<\/span>Liz Jensen<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":17,"featured_media":4729,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[4,1],"tags":[807,591,45,806,803,805,587,804],"yoast_head":"\nQ&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_GB\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"    Kim Stanley Robinson is widely recognized as one of the world\u2019s foremost science fiction writers. He has received both the Robert A. Heinlein Award and the Arthur C. Clarke Award for Imagination in Service to Society for his body of work, which includes the Mars trilogy, the Science in the City trilogy, and [...]Read More... from Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Writers Rebel\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:publisher\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/writersrebel\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/KSL-pic.jpg\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:width\" content=\"474\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:height\" content=\"473\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:type\" content=\"image\/jpeg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Katie Percival\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@XrRebel\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@XrRebel\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Katie Percival\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Estimated reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"11 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"Katie Percival\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/person\/58014cf4c5723b1bd41278b57688111c\"},\"headline\":\"Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen\",\"datePublished\":\"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00\",\"mainEntityOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\"},\"wordCount\":2241,\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization\"},\"keywords\":[\"capitalism\",\"climate emergency\",\"fiction\",\"government\",\"Kim Stanley Robinson\",\"non-violence\",\"science fiction\",\"violence\"],\"articleSection\":[\"read\",\"Uncategorized\"],\"inLanguage\":\"en-GB\"},{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\",\"name\":\"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-GB\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/\",\"name\":\"Writers Rebel\",\"description\":\"\",\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization\"},\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-GB\"},{\"@type\":\"Organization\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization\",\"name\":\"Writers Rebel\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/\",\"logo\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-GB\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2020-07-21-at-2.25.35-PM.jpg\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2020-07-21-at-2.25.35-PM.jpg\",\"width\":300,\"height\":137,\"caption\":\"Writers Rebel\"},\"image\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\"},\"sameAs\":[\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/writersrebel\/\",\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/XrRebel\"]},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/person\/58014cf4c5723b1bd41278b57688111c\",\"name\":\"Katie Percival\",\"sameAs\":[\"http:\/\/www.writersrebel.com\"],\"url\":\"#molongui-disabled-link\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/","og_locale":"en_GB","og_type":"article","og_title":"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel","og_description":"    Kim Stanley Robinson is widely recognized as one of the world\u2019s foremost science fiction writers. He has received both the Robert A. Heinlein Award and the Arthur C. Clarke Award for Imagination in Service to Society for his body of work, which includes the Mars trilogy, the Science in the City trilogy, and [...]Read More... from Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen","og_url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/","og_site_name":"Writers Rebel","article_publisher":"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/writersrebel\/","article_published_time":"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00","article_modified_time":"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00","og_image":[{"width":474,"height":473,"url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/KSL-pic.jpg","type":"image\/jpeg"}],"author":"Katie Percival","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_creator":"@XrRebel","twitter_site":"@XrRebel","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Katie Percival","Estimated reading time":"11 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"Article","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#article","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/"},"author":{"name":"Katie Percival","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/person\/58014cf4c5723b1bd41278b57688111c"},"headline":"Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen","datePublished":"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00","dateModified":"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00","mainEntityOfPage":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/"},"wordCount":2241,"publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization"},"keywords":["capitalism","climate emergency","fiction","government","Kim Stanley Robinson","non-violence","science fiction","violence"],"articleSection":["read","Uncategorized"],"inLanguage":"en-GB"},{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/","url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/","name":"Q&A with Kim Stanley Robinson - Writers Rebel","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#website"},"datePublished":"2022-06-09T07:00:21+00:00","dateModified":"2022-06-09T09:45:38+00:00","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-GB","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/qa-with-kim-stanley-robinson\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Q&A with Kim Stanley RobinsonLiz Jensen"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#website","url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/","name":"Writers Rebel","description":"","publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization"},"potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-GB"},{"@type":"Organization","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#organization","name":"Writers Rebel","url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-GB","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2020-07-21-at-2.25.35-PM.jpg","contentUrl":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/WhatsApp-Image-2020-07-21-at-2.25.35-PM.jpg","width":300,"height":137,"caption":"Writers Rebel"},"image":{"@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/"},"sameAs":["https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/writersrebel\/","https:\/\/twitter.com\/XrRebel"]},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/#\/schema\/person\/58014cf4c5723b1bd41278b57688111c","name":"Katie Percival","sameAs":["http:\/\/www.writersrebel.com"],"url":"#molongui-disabled-link"}]}},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/writersrebel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/KSL-pic.jpg?fit=474%2C473&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4730"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/17"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4730"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4730\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4752,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4730\/revisions\/4752"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/4729"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4730"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4730"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/writersrebel.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4730"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}